This post is meant to be more of a criticism of my choice to submit to film festivals and the viability of them as business plan options than it is of the fests themselves.
First, I want to make a few quick observations of fests that I have submitted to:
1.) Each film in the line up had already been to a prior film festival. Coincidence or not, many forums on festivals have commented that this is a common occurance. It's typical for most films to be rejected by many, many film fests. When it does finally get accepted to one, then more fests take a risk on it.
2.) I have also noticed that many festivals seem to choose films that all seem to have the same feel, or theme, to them.
3.) Most recently, films that get accepted to festivals have at least an A-list or B-list actor in it. (Which translates to: films with budgets between 1-15 million dollars. Most people don't have a "Uncle Vinny" who can bankroll a production of this size.)
4.) Unfortunately, unlike the era of THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, distributors aren't really coming to fests to broker deals or acquire films like they used to. ( #4 is a sympton of #5)
5.) What intrigues "film fest junkies" generally doesn't interest the general population. Why? Because the indie crowd is a certain "niche market" and if your film isn't something that market would watch, you're in trouble.
The above are general observations applicable to any filmmaker who is looking at submitting into film festivals. Below, however, are some simple comments that others have made about my filmmaking style, etc. that you may want to consider:
1.) I don't fit the typical description of "indie filmmaker." -That is why I don't necessarily describe myself as such. Most indie films are described as "small personal films" (low concept films that are mostly filled with dialogue) or they are described as edgy (stuff that wouldn't go over well with the mainstream population.)
Most indie films also don't spend months creating effects that blend seamlessly in their film or spend extra time recording and adding folly sound. And, they usually don't build elaborate set pieces. (Like the cave which we built for AMNESIA).
The fact is that the festival directors select films that they believe their audience will want to watch. Opinions, opinions...
The fact is that the festival directors select films that they believe their audience will want to watch. Opinions, opinions...
2.) I've had less success at film festivals than I have everywhere else.
A year ago, my film was requested by someone connected to a festival in Maine. They asked that I give them a copy and then they would send it in, submission free, as almost a shoe-in. I rescheduled my statewide tour based upon this fact, but, at the end, someone on the selection committe decided that they didn't want the film in. Even though this was dissapointing, it worked to my advantage.
I still toured the state (6 theaters from the top to the bottom), had almost every TV station, newspaper and a couple radio stations run extensive stories on the film... We even drew the attention of the minority leader of the State Senate so much so that she requested her VIP pass and came to one of the screenings. The news reporters all talked about how they were excited that someone who grew up in Maine would actually make a film, and it wasn't just a bunch of people sitting around talking... The films who did make it into that Maine film festival were not even mentioned by the media in comparison to my film.
After the tour, we submitted to SXSW. They decided to not run the fil, but once again, I was given more attention than most of the films that ran at that fest because we created RebFest.com. Yahoo! News ran a story on RebFest, which featured AMNESIA as the main topic of the story. How many films from SXSW were mentioned on Yahoo! News?
My point is this... In my experience, at this point, I have found that I have gained more attention for my film and connected with far more people by not being accepted to film festivals.
Each filmmaker needs to evaluate what is the best direction for his/her film. Today, there are far more options than there were years ago, but the mindset for film promotion, overwhelmingly, is that we still have to do the fest circuit. Finally, more and more filmmakers are questioning that mentality.
I am at a crossroad as a filmmaker. Some of my films fall under what I call Tier I films (high concept, expensive) and the other half under Tier II (smaller concept, affordable). I am considering sending query letters to agents and studios to pitch the Tier I projects (like James Cameron or George Lucas did back in the day). I am considering producing independently the Tier II scripts, but not sending them to fests. I'm considering promoting my Tier II films by doing something no one else has done before...
Times change.... filmmakers need to adapt... or their dreams die.
Though I would agree that most films that get into festivals are very niche, don't often get anywhere after the festivals, etc., I think it's important to note that just getting mentions in the paper doesn't really do much for you either. The other films may not be getting distribution, but they're being seen by someone, rather than just having their titles read. Neither position is necessarily a great one to be in, but as a filmmaker, you at least want someone to see your film...
ReplyDeleteI didn't say it was just read in newspapers or TV. That was part of what I was saying. But the fact that thousands of people have seen it or large portions of it via the internet and have come back again and again to see it says alot about the film and about the fact that people like more options to see a film than just at a fest at a certain location.
ReplyDelete-JWB
The whole notion that we cant get our films seen unless we are at a festival is NUTS to me! Are people ASLEEP!
ReplyDeleteLook at the new platforms we have. We can distribute digitally, theatrically, dvd, streaming, you name it.
The sad fact is, filmmakers become very lazy AFTER they have made the film. It takes really effort to market your film, target your audience, and film festivals are good if that is your attitude.
They are like a comfort zone. Worst thing I found about them was the way filmmakers could all get together and moan about how bad it all was, when in reality, we are in an AMAZING time.
Too many people naively want to be "DISCOVERED" Many aspiring filmmakers will die afte their first or second film unless they decided to go out there and GET THEIR AUDIENCES!! GRAB THEM!!
Festivals are a waste of life.
DAvid
We have our hand in a couple of film festival in Devon, UK, and they galvanise the filmmaking community allowing them to make contacts and develop skills, ideas. At the same time it gives the community as a whole an opportunity to take part in the film process, albeit the watching aspect. It's probably on a different scale to the experiences mentioned here (the most experienced are usually in the process of working up to a feature), but I thought it was worth throwing in the grassroots element of some festivals that aim to build confidence for the whole community while aiming to 'support' filmmakers.
ReplyDeleteI have learned that while film festivals are a part of the whole media blitz, it is still just a part. If you are serious about getting your film out there in front of thousands of people you must consider (as you have) all forms of media including social networks, TV, Radio and print. I have also teamed up with specific organizations to network and get the work out about my last film which has been the most successful way I have seen my movie get out there. I support you through and through John and I am looking forward to learning more from you!
ReplyDeleteRight...here’s my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteI’m completely in the dark with regards to festivals because I’ve never submitted anything to and of them...it’s usually because I feel that what I’ve made isn’t good enough to be submitted or I’ve run into some heavy problems with regards to music licence fees and felt that my film isn’t worth spending the amount of money on it...I know that’s not a good place to be mentally, but, that’s the truth in my story so far.
Recently I’ve been contacted by a successful animation director who has been through the roof with enthusiasm for my films and wants me urgently to send what I’ve done to festivals and has said that its a important thing to do and that I should do it. He’s also said that there are GOOD and BAD festivals out there.
This sounds to me like a major problem and some list needs to be written up on which festivals are the good ones and which ones are the ones to be avoided.
I continue on, I will not stop making films because I love doing it.
I use Twitter and CGTalk to try and get people to see my stuff. CGTalk brought in a lot of views recently because of the large numbers there.
David is right, that way too many people give up, it’s the people who persevere and think on their feet who are going to win this battle!
Mike
If your film has some special effects in it that are computer generated I strongly, strongly advise putting up a link to it on CGTalk...it’s a extremely busy place.
ReplyDeleteThere is always making of videos to be made too, and video diaries. They can significantly improve your following from the evidence I’ve seen on other people who have done that. I’ve always wanted to do that.
It is what I call the arsenal of tools at our disposal. When I used Twitter, Facebook and CGTalk all in combination...it was like a army of tanks in a row setting off across the landscape!...hahaha.
Yes the movie has some CG effects in it and many effects like sky replacement that people don't notice because that was the point of the effect. If people noticed the sky was replaced from blue to cloudy then it wouldn't be believable.
ReplyDeleteYes, I'll probably post some stuff on CGTalk.
I agree with David ( @indiemoviemaker on Twitter). People need to see what he is doing to get his film out to the UK audience, it is very similiar to what I was attempting to do with AMNESIA in Maine/Michigan but couldn't find enough support in Michigan to do.
I wouldn't have submitted to fests recently if some of them hadn't invited me. Next time around, if a fest invites me to submit I'll tell them either they take it without the submission fee or they're not REALLY serious.
What I am putting together for my release of my next indie flick would remove the need for any sort of exposure at a film fest because I would be reaching out to my audience by myself which is the true future of filmmaking.
CGTalk is by far the busiest forum I've ever come across.
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And I too agree 100% with what David and youself. I TOO believe strongly that there has to be a thinking on your feet attitude with regards to this entire problem solving scenario...and you have to adapt to the situation.